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The Ryan “Budget Plan”–Déjà Vu All Over Again

March 16, 2013

If you thought the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich plan was bad, just wait until you see the Ryan Budget Plan (or as it’s sometimes called, Paul Ryan’s attempt at Ayn Rand Fan Fiction). It cuts $5,700,000,000,000 over 10 years from the government’s income and then doesn’t actually explain in more than vague "it’s magic" terms how it’s going to cut enough of that out of the budget to keep that off the deficit while claiming it’ll balance the budget. Remember, he not only doesn’t cut Pentagon spending – the largest part of the discretionary budget – he raises it.

Of course, while those new debts go into everyone’s purse, the tax cuts themselves are massively geared toward the very rich.

  • If you make less than $22,000 per year you’ll save less than $40.
  • If you are middle income you’ll get $900.
  • If you are, however, in the group making over $3,300,000 per year (up in the 99.9% group that Ryan actually thinks aren’t parasites) then your tax savings would be $1,200,000 per year.

Or put into percentages

  • Bottom 20% get a 0.3% cut
  • 2nd 20% get a 0.9% cut
  • Middle 20% get a 1.6% cut
  • 4th 20% get a 2.1% cut
  • Top 20% get a 5.9% cut

But the biggest gifts go to the very top

  • The top 1% get a 10.9% tax cut
  • The top 0.1% get a 12.1% tax cut

Yes, the top bracket don’t just get more in cuts but the percentage of their cuts is forty times as great as the cut for the person struggling to put food on their family (we’re talking Bush logic – may as well use Bush phrasing).

So, tax cuts mostly for the wealthy and no real way of absorbing those cuts without putting them into the deficit except "by magic".

Sorry. We’ve been there before and we’ll be paying, as a nation, for that mistake for decades.

For the actual numbers and analysis by the Tax Policy Center, here is the link.

And if you want to see just how UnFlat this tax cut is…

Ryan Proposed Tax Cuts


Flattened Taxpayers

August 17, 2012

Eventually pretty much every political discussion I have with today’s right-wing comes down to people thinking magical thoughts about a flat tax. It’s almost a Godwin’s Law of political discussions.

For example, I was just told by somebody on Facebook that if we had a flat tax of 10% that we’d not only pay for the Federal government but also raise enough money to pay for State, County and Local governments and all the assorted other taxes, fees and special assessments that go around and still have money left over from that 10% tax to pay down the deficit.

Since I try to be efficient, rather than type up the same discussion time after time I figured that it was time to just put it into a blog post and send them the link whenever the subject came up.

So. Let’s go there.

To start with let’s look at it from just the basic arithmetic. No discussion of fairness or national goals or purposes of government, let’s just do a cold-eyed look at the numbers…

Before we do the math, let’s define what we’re talking about. To have a real "flat tax" we’re talking about a single fixed rate for taxation on all income. We’ll let the math determine about how much that should be later but let’s first agree that we’re talking about taxing all income in the United States at a single rate. Now if that sounds simple, great. By agreeing that’s what we mean, we have, however, taken virtually every "flat tax proposal" offered up in the last 30 years out of the running since they almost always say "well, we don’t mean taxing businesses at that rate" or "well, we don’t mean taxing businesses income, we want to tax your income but their profits" or "well, investment is important so profits from investments shouldn’t count" or "inheritance income shouldn’t really count". Usually, they include all of those in there so the "Flat" in their “Flat Tax” only applies to working people with little to no income from investments or trust funds. But, so be it, we’ll go with a real flat tax since that is what they expect you to think they mean.

And, to simplify things and keep the discussion easy, let’s skip the hyperbole about removing all taxes at all levels by a single Federal tax. That would mean that states and counties and cities would all have to tax at the same rate and our multi-tier system doesn’t allow for that and I don’t feel like fighting a civil war over states rights (for the first time, actually, but that’s another discussion).

So, we’re down to a simple tax on all income inside the United States that would pay for the United States government.

That is what most people think of when they hear "flat tax" even if it’s not what they ever are told to support if you actually read the proposals. Now it’s time to look at the numbers. Now, bear with me, this is actually simple 3rd Grade arithmetic. No fancy high-level math needed, no complexities of econometrics or monetary supply modeling. Just simple long division.

To figure out the rate all we have to do is take the amount of the US Federal Budget and divide it by the Gross National Product of the United States. Do that and we get what percent of all income needs to go to the federal government.


Here goes…

The current budget is: $3,796,000,000,000  and, yes, that’s a lot of zeros but they’ll divide out so don’t worry about them.

The current Gross Domestic Product is: $15,596,000,000,000

We’ll cancel out the zeros and so we get 3,796 divided by 15,596

That gives us a flat tax of 24.3%

That won’t pay down the debt or pay for other levels of government but it is a flat rate that would produce a balanced Federal budget.

Now, remember, before you get too happy about that, realize that is 24.3% of your Gross Income. That means no standard deductions, no deductions for mortgage interest, no exemptions for kids, no deductions for medical bills, no deductions for money you give to charities. No nothing coming in “before taxes”, just roughly 1/4 of your gross paycheck.

Now if you still support a flat tax, you get to sell the idea. Remember that this is double the rate that Governor Romney paid in the one year he’s willing to talk about and he’s complaining his taxes are too high at half of what a flat tax proposes. And that rate is many, many, many times more than most large corporations pay if they pay at all and remember we’re going to have to tax them on their gross income this time to keep it flat. And they’re going to have to give up all their deductions, too. Speaking of deductions, non-profits, charities and churches will also have to pay 24.3% of their gross income as well.

For anyone saying “well, that’s true under Obama but not with a Republican in office…” or, “well the economy is broken now but in the past it would have been  10%”, here are some comparative numbers…

Event Flat Tax Rate
When Bush II left office 24.7%
When Bill Clinton left office 18.2%
When Bill Clinton entered office 21.4%
Highest under Jimmy Carter 21.7%
Highest under Nixon/Ford 21.4%
Highest under Kennedy/Johnson 20.5%
Lowest under Kennedy/Johnson 18.5%
Highest under Reagan/Bush I 23.5%
Lowest under Reagan/Bush I 21.2%
Highest under Eisenhower 18.8%

Brief Side Note: Yes, this does mean that the current “Obama Budget” is smaller than what Bush II had when he left office. Yes, Bill Clinton’s budget really did cost 3% less of the GDP than the best Reagan/Bush I were able to do (and was a 22% smaller government than their largest) and yes, Bill Clinton really did leave office with the smallest Federal Government in 35 years and one of the smallest since the days of Harry Truman. Those are topics for another day, though.

OK. So now we can have a conversation about whether this is a fair plan or whether it is a good plan or whether it’s good for the goals of the nation. But at least now we’re using actual numbers.

So the next time a politician says “If I’m elected we can pay for the government with a flat tax of 9%” or a SuperPAC advertises that they can pay for government with a 17% flat tax and still give you a standard deduction (both of which happened this year and surprisingly didn’t get met with the proper response of laughter and embarrassment) you’ll know that either they can’t do 3rd Grade arithmetic or they’re just hoping you can’t.

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